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Thursday, March 20, 2008

Ward commits to UC

UC received a commitment today from Varez Ward, a 6-2 combo guard from Montgomery, Ala., who played this year for the Patterson School in Patterson, N.C. Here's the assessment of Ward, who was at UC's practice the other day, from Jerry Meyer of Rivals.com.

"He's athletic. He can really jump. He's strong, a good defender. Skill-wise, he's solid. He could extend his shooting range some. He's not really a long-range shooter, but a slasher. He's a good combo guard. He can handle the point guard some. I don't think that's his primary position, but he can certainly guard the point guard position. He's a solid player, but he's not going to score a whole lot of points. That's not his forte. He's a good pickup. He's a solid 3-star player."

With Ward and guard Dion Dixon, both of whom are expected to sign next month, UC has four commitments for next year. That includes Yancy Gates and point guard Cashmere Wright. But Mick Cronin is not finished recruiting. He could still have as many as two scholarships remaining if Western Carolina transfer Nick Aldridge pays his own way, which is a distinct possibility, and if Alvin Mitchell does not return.

UC is still in the running for shooting guard Scotty Hopson and Steven Hoyloy, a 6-9 center from Miami-Dade Community College.


44 Comments:

at 5:13 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If UC lands Hopson, this will become a top 10 class with 3 guys who can contribute immediately (Gates and Wright being the other two).

Dixon and Ward seem to be very similar to the guys we got in last years class in the sense that they wont bring a lot to the table immediately, but will have the ability to improve and contribute throughout their career.

There are a lot of Bob Huggins fans on here that refuse to give Mick any credit and routinely point out the freshman class' struggles this year. Its like they forget players like Eric Hicks or Tony Bobbit. Its not uncommon for freshman (first year players) to struggle...

 
at 5:38 PM Blogger MsUC said...

Dizzy...comparing Huggs years to MC years so far is unfar to both. Huggs' freshmen had to compete against talented upperclassmen for playing time. MC's freshmen had no uppper classmen talent to compete against. The starting jobs and playing time was there for the taking. This years freshmen class just wasn't good enough to play D1 ball this year.

 
at 7:02 PM Blogger larry said...

UC's freshman were plenty good enough to play D1 this year, and compete in the BE, they just didnt get to show it because the upper classman were horrible. They had no help. Show me freshman that make immediate impacts without a strong upper class? One or two a year and they are special players to do that. Beasley, Oden, Durant, Anthony to name a few.

Other freshman accross the country had much more help then they did here at UC. Its what makes what Vaughn did even more impressive. I do agree neither Dixon or Ward look like instant impact players but could develop into good players over 4 years.

Remember, MC is trying to bring back the program, not just a team. need to build layers while getting good players every year. he is doing that. Next year is not a final four team but he is going in the right direction and with impact players or Wright and Gates I expect an NCAA appearance next year.

 
at 7:08 PM Blogger Da Phoenixx said...

How many freshman are good enough to play right away in D1? Even in todays age of the super freshman, the OJ Mayos and the Carmelo Anthonys, its still extremely rare. What's the phrase....the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores? So if next year our sophomores are still playing like freshmen, then we have a real problem. I'm as embarassed as anyone else about the state of my alma mater. Hell, I can't even show off the claw tatted on my arm right now when I travel, which is alot. But this guy sounds like another solid role player, and in 2 years we'll see where we stand. Go Bearcats.

 
at 7:19 PM Blogger BearcatsFan said...

Looks like this might be the end of the recruiting class. If so, certainly not even a top-15 class like last year’s.

Could anyone defend Mick having a worse class with longer to recruit this year? Especially when the team needs a quick infusion of talent right now?

This year's top-15 disaster along with a lower rated class could make for another poor team next year.

Ward is the best Mick can do? Three-star recruit not even in the Rivals 150?

Can Mick not recruit when he's recruiting for Mick instead of Pitino or Huggins?

 
at 7:22 PM Blogger BearcatsFan said...

By the way, Ward isn't expected to score many points, huh? It's not like the team needs offense or anything, so who cares?!

 
at 8:54 PM Blogger MsUC said...

Boys..let me get this right. Talented freshmen only get playiing time if they have a strong upper class. So the reverse is that talented freshmen will not get playing time or start if the upper classes are weak? Huh?

What a bizzaro world you live in? The game is basketball. The most talented and productive team players play minutes; and the others sit on the bench. Its not really that complicated.

 
at 9:08 PM Blogger Chris said...

I know who Scotty Hopson is, but who is this Stephen Hoyloy guy? Is this the big JUCO center Mick Cronin has been hinting at? I can't find anything about him on the net.

 
at 9:31 PM Blogger Unknown said...

UC was a 38 star squad this year. It looks to be a 43-45 star squad next year. Vaughn was a pleasant surprise as a 4 star recruit who plays like a five. Maybe we just got a 3 who can play like a 4. (Gates, btw, is rated as a 4.)

Gtown, Louisville, UConn, are all 50-55 stars.

We need a 5-star player at UC. What keeps us from getting one?

 
at 10:07 PM Blogger larry said...

Hey MsUC read your post. You said this years freshman class wasnt good enough to play D1 ball. You cant make that judgement when the talent around them was so poor. Its not about playing time. Your last comment was about performance. My point is freshman very rarely take over a team unless they are superstars, like the ones I mentioned. You cant judge this years freshman class when they had absolutely no help. Very few players come in and take over.

 
at 11:58 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Huggs' freshmen had to compete against talented upperclassmen for playing time. MC's freshmen had no uppper classmen talent to compete against. The starting jobs and playing time was there for the taking. This years freshmen class just wasn't good enough to play D1 ball this year."
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Ummm.....No. Huggs freshman had to compete had to compete against the CUSA. Micks freshman had to compete against the BEAST.

Huge difference.

Hicks and Bobbitt (just an example) were bad against poor competition. What do you think they would be like against good competition? Exactly. Give the freshman time.....

 
at 12:03 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"By the way, Ward isn't expected to score many points, huh? It's not like the team needs offense or anything, so who cares?!"
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Ive never heard of defense or development.

Anyone else????????

 
at 5:30 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think his name is Stephen Toyloy.

 
at 6:29 AM Blogger Mark said...

Maybe you can't find anything on Stephen Hoyloy because there is no such person. The Maimi Dade CC list a Steven Toyloy on the roster, maybe it's him. Who according to Scout has offers from Baylor, Clemson, Minnesota, and WVU.

 
at 8:40 AM Blogger Haystacks Calhoun said...

Watching the K State-USC game yesterday made me nauseous...

UC, this year, would/should be starting Michael Beasley, OJ Mayo, and Bill Walker.

We've argued it to death, but I can imagine. Sheesh.

 
at 9:01 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's Steven Toyloy. 8 ppg & 13rpg as a juco.

http://www.njcaa.org/schmain.cfm?sid=4&divid=1&gender=m&slid=2&menu=11&cid=1364&seasonselect=347&schmenu=4&teamid=51873

 
at 12:38 PM Blogger MsUC said...

Haystacks..we had the same thoughts. It was fun watching the talent, hustle and athleticism as we watched the NCAA tournament games. I question if UC will return to that calibre of play after watching the UC games the last 2 years. What a heartache!

 
at 2:35 PM Blogger Unknown said...

Hey, Bill, since basketball is over for UC this year, what's the state of UC baseball?

Serious question. I really don't know. Are they any good?

 
at 3:41 PM Blogger zip rzeppa said...

7 straight losses or
WVU73 Duke 67
Huggs still can't win the big one!

 
at 8:37 PM Blogger Danny Fortson said...

So WV made it to the Sweet Sixteen. We're so good we STARTED in the Sweet Sixteen in the CBI! I say whatever to Huggins and all his success. Who needs it!

 
at 10:25 PM Blogger 'WLMNMW' Prez said...

At 9:31 UCFan79 said,
"We need a 5-star player at UC. What keeps us from getting one?"

That's an easy one to answer. Let's start with the coach. What five star player would want to play for a coach who is yet unproven, at best, when he has any choice he wants. That is probably enough, but he also is seeing a program rising from the ashes of destruction. Honestly, he has to be asking himself, "Is this really who I want to play for and where I want to be for years?"

If he has done his homework, he has also seen a team of D-1 wannabes virtually quit on our current coach. What amazes me also is why nobody ever questions the abilities or qualifications of the assistant coaches. Just like the head coach, no school in the nation is trying to steal any of them away from us. Likely, there's plenty of reasons for that.

But just remember that we love Mick no matter what! That way we can ignore many things right in front of our eyes.

 
at 6:25 PM Blogger ucbearcatfan said...

I'm think I can take a break from this board until some recruiting news or football practice starts.

I won't miss any of the inane commentary.

 
at 9:16 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting, but the guy who some think can't coach is 3-2 against the five sweet sixteen teams UC played this year, with two of the wins coming on the road. Not a bad accomplishment with a bunch of mid major level juco recruits nobody else wanted.

 
at 9:10 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

drshatterhand1 -

I could not agree more with your point. Mick can't coach, but he is 3-2 against the sweet 16 field - go figure. Also, I'd like to point out that both of the losses were under ten points (Xavier by 5 and Memphis by 9). You're right, not too bad for a bunch of JUCO players that were last second pickups.

 
at 9:11 AM Blogger MsUC said...

Ok here is an Easter Meeting update from the insiders. The brass and the most famous UC BB player from UC are impatient with the RESULTS of MC. Wins apparently matter.

MC has next year to turn UC around or he is gone.

 
at 11:13 AM Blogger 'WLMNMW' Prez said...

msuc,
Thanks for the info. Let's keep in mind though that this is essentially the same astute group of geniuses who caused the train wreck three years ago and then brought in a minor league coach for on the job training.
And now, they want to point the finger at their hand picked super coach? As they point their collective finger at him for not succeeding, there are three fingers pointing back at them, where the blame truly originated.

 
at 11:48 AM Blogger Unknown said...

MsUC,

I heard on early morning WLW about 2 weeks ago that the Big O was upset about "wins." It was one little news item at about 6 am, and I never heard it repeated or commented upon. I brought it out on one of these blogs, and apparently, no one else heard it....at least, they didn't comment, if they did hear it.

It makes sense. UC's non-conference schedule was awful. (Turns out that Belmont, though, was actually a pretty good team.)

Wins do matter. But, it's not gonna be easy to get them if we aren't recruiting at the same level as the top Big East teams....and we're not.

We're busy on this thread getting excited about a 3 star recruit. I can see being pleased with a 3 star recruit, but I don't see getting excited about it.

Maybe the Big O can hire Sean Miller away from XU. Wouldn't that enhance the crosstown shootout!

LOL!

 
at 7:12 PM Blogger SAL said...

UCFan79...I'm not sure what you are basing your recruiting info on, but Rivals has UC ranked in the top 5 in the Big East and that is only with Wright (four star) and Gates (four star). Add Dixon (currently 3 star but was recently ranked 3rd in Chicago) and Ward (3 star) and that is a really good recruiting class. There will be more than likely one more recruit. Possibly a big time JUCO or Hopson.

 
at 8:36 PM Blogger Unknown said...

BearcatFan,

Take the entire UC team projected for next year. Look up their number of stars. Add them together. You will come up with, IIRC, 43-45 stars. Remember to subtract 4 stars for Alvin Mitchell, who has departed.

Then do the same for Louisville, UConn, GTown, whomever, and make your comparisons.

 
at 10:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

MC has next year to turn UC around or he is gone.

Yeah right! They're going to decide halfway through his contract that they made a mistake and pay him $2+ million to go away. Dream on, he'll be here for the duration of his contract, deal with it.

Nice troll though, real cute.

 
at 10:37 PM Blogger Glenn said...

I'm not sure if MC is the longterm answer, but I'm still far more proud of my university than I was at any time under Huggs.

 
at 11:17 PM Blogger SAL said...

UCFan79,

I'll let you do that and you tell me what you come up with. I'm assuming since you already gave UC a bad grade on recruiting that you have these numbers handy.

Besides that, what kind of way is that to judge talent. So every 5*, 4*, and 3* are equal?

In only two years of real recruiting, Mick has Four, 4* players. That is pretty damn good.

 
at 7:41 AM Blogger 'WLMNMW' Prez said...

At 10:37 Glenn said...
"I'm not sure if MC is the longterm answer, but I'm still far more proud of my university than I was at any time under Huggs."

Far more proud? Are you kidding me? Do you care anything at all about the current state of UC BB? Are you proud of being a mediocre program? Are you proud of having a mid-major, OJT coach that even a group of D-1 wannabes quit on? Are you proud of our once respected BB team getting an invite to the prestigious new CBI tournament? And then promptly going one and out to BRADLEY???

Why don't we simply play intramurals? Or maybe just join the MAC?

Then people like Glenn and Nancy Z. will be SO proud!!

 
at 9:05 AM Blogger Unknown said...

Glenn,

Sorry, but there's nothing to be "proud of" about this last basketball season. If the expectation is that your players should stay out of trouble, then there's nothing to be "proud of" when they do what they're supposed to do in the first place.

They're also expected to put forth their best effort, and I'm convinced they didn't do that the last 7-8 games of the season. They gave up. Personally, I think something happened when Mitchell departed, but apparently, we'll never know.

Moreover, I was fine with Huggins taking the rough kids that no one else wanted and trying to turn them into good citizens. He succeeded more than he failed.

Huggins knew the truth -- there simply aren't a lot of kids out there dreaming of coming to the stupendous town of Cincinnati as if it were one of the basketball capitals of the universe.

All of the perfect students, solid citizens, all went elsewhere. So, you're left going after the kids with rough backgrounds and the JUCO standouts.

It makes perfect sense to me, and it makes sense to be proud of someone who succeeded at many of his "reclamation projects."

Hugg's problem was alcohol, and I don't wish that kind of problem on anyone. I hope he's won the war with those demons.

 
at 11:23 AM Blogger MsUC said...

To the "Truth"?
If money rules your decision making then, paying MC a $2MM buyout after another losing season is cheaper if a better coach comes in and sells out the Shoe. I think BB ticket proceeds are well down $1mm per year. You do the math if Wins don't matter to you.

Of course maybe you know more than the statue out in front of the Shoe?

 
at 11:56 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

UCFAN79
Exactly! I could not have put it better myself.

ST CSA

 
at 1:40 PM Blogger Unknown said...

Bearcat fan,

I have done that, and UC this year had a 38 star squad and next year looks like a 43 star IF Mitchell returns.

Louisiville, UConn, GTown, on the other hand, are in the 50-55 star range. Remember there are only 13 scholarships and a 5 star maximum. The highest possible score one can get is 65 stars.

Do I believe in "diamonds in the rough?" Sure I do.

But, I also believe that some supposed awesome players don't cut it in college. Could we call them "diamonds that have dulled?"

 
at 7:45 PM Blogger SAL said...

UCFan79, citing Cincinnati as a reason that recruits didn't want to come to UC is a very weak excuse. Ever been to Durham, Morgantown, Lexington, Tusculum, Syracuse, etc..?

Huggins was left going after Jucos because he put himself in that position. Many players would simply not want to put up with his attitude. Stop making excuses for him.

 
at 10:18 PM Blogger Doss said...

Poor little Mick. Everyone picks on little Mick. The big bullies give him wedgies, etc.

Huggs would have surely turned the program around in 2 years.

Little Mick needs 4 or 5 or 6.

Gates by all reports is LAZY.

Biggie has a bad foot (and by the way cannot jump or shoot).

Mike Williams his best player? He could not get off the Texas bench for two years. Great pin our hopes on a has been All Mickey D player playing for Mickey C.

I pay $5,000 a year to UCATS and want results not excuses.

If Huggs stays we are talking, Beasley, Walker, Mayo, Downey, etc. playing for a coach that has 600 wins getting to the Elite 8 or better. With Mickey we lose to Bradley in the CBI (Crappy Basketball Invitational)

 
at 7:41 AM Blogger Unknown said...

Cincy is not cited as an excuse, BCatFever. It is cited as an obstacle that Huggs had to overcome. He did, too, and his logic provided years of NCAA eligibility. His logic cannot be faulted.

He also ended up coaching at K-State, which, incidentally, is a very strong academic institution. K-State is 2nd or 3rd in the number of Rhodes Scholars, so it had an academic reputation to protect, but it hired Huggins anyway. He responded by recruiting a solid class for them, and then going to WV and getting more out of that school than anyone expected.

After all, he is in the NCAA Sweet 16 in his first year there. He very likely could be in the Elite 8 when the dust settles tomorrow night. (Although, I've picked XU in my bracket, and I think X will win by 3 possessions, any fool realizes that could turn around in a heartbeat in college ball.)

Cincy as a city is not an attraction. If you think it is, then go for a hike tonight along the perimeter of the university by yourself.

Honestly, Zimpher is doing a lousy job in that department. Security around the perimeter of the university is a joke.

It must be fun telling the parents accompanying recruits that they should NOT go out walking after dark. I'll bet that really impresses them and gets them all excited about sending little Johnny to our school.

 
at 9:53 AM Blogger Ed Woods said...

Doss, I feel your pain. I can handle setbacks. I've been going to the games for over 30 years, and I've seen a few.

I feel like Mick is constantly trying to "sell" me. But, by doing that he does himself and the program a dis-service. He clearly over sold this years incoming freshman. I also feel like I'm constantly getting excuses. At some point Pottery Barn rules apply and whether you broke it or not you own it. It's time he took more ownership. I never again want to hear about what happened in the past. He's had the job for 2 years now.

 
at 10:04 AM Blogger MsUC said...

BearcatFever your argument is weak. The Cities you list have established big time D1 coaches to attract recruits, and overlook that city's downside.

The Issue is: if the City of Cinti. is not an attraction, do the bearcats have a big time coach in MC to attract 5 star talent, regardless of the pitfulls of the city of cincinnati?

 
at 10:17 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doss,

You cannot guarantee that Mayo, Beasley, Walker, and Downey would be here. You have to consider Mayo turned down K-State because he wanted to go to a high-profile city (like L.A.) and Beasley probably would have ended up at Charlotte with Bobby Lutz - after all the only reason he is at K-State is not Huggs, it is his AAU coach, Delonte Hill. If Huggs would have brought Beasley to UC, that means he would have had to let go one of the following coaches: AK, Martin, Assaley, Eric Martin. Would the program be in better shape? Yes. However, you cannot assume recruits would be here - after all, you know what happens when you assume.

Finally, I am glad you like to point out that you give $5K to UCATS. I too am a graduate and avid supporter of UC athletics. I also realize the situation that Mick inherited and know that AK, Huggs, and Frank Martin did not take over messes when they started at their new schools. If you want to choose to play ignorant and not realize the situation, please do not make the rest of us UC alum look stupid by disregarding facts.

 
at 8:14 PM Blogger Dave said...

To the gentlemen who point out how the team "quit" on Cronin, isn't possible "they simply ran out of gas after playing over their heads for 17 games" or that "opposing coaches figured out that all they had to do was stop Deonta"??

If you like the "quit" sound-bite so much, why don't you try it on what Huggins did to KSU??

 
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